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Police Service Six .38 FIVE inch barrel
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10 Nov 2017 08:37 PM
    Hello all, I am new to this forum.

    I have in my possession a blue Police Service Six .38 SPL with a FIVE inch barrel.

    From what research I have been able to do on other forums, some time in the mid-1980s Ruger made up a small run of prototype 5"" guns for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who were then thinking about replacing their aging 5"" Smith Model 10s. In the end the RCMP went to autos, so no sales were made beyond the initial prototypes.

    From what I have found out 150 guns were made, 135 going to the RCMP and some 15 guns from the production overrun ended up being sold on the US market.

    I believe I have one of the RCMP guns. However, the serial does not match a list I once saw of the 15 overrun (I once identified some ten serial numbers) nor do I have any idea of the serial range of the guns that actually went to Canada.

    I was wondering here if anyone can help me with either the serial numbers or a date of when the RCMP guns were shipped.

    Many thanks,


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    16 Nov 2017 02:51 AM
    Hello Peter

    I'm also a new member of the RCA and have an interest in Liberty single actions all the double actions especially the odds and ends like you have. My favorite find is the Ruger DA with low back grips and swiveling lanyards. Ruger sent the overruns to RCA for distribution to its members and I was able to pick up some sets in the last few years. I also have a 5"" Blue Police Service Six from 1984, SDA-85H serial # 161-18440. It falls outside the designated serial number range of the Ruger Reference below. The one thing I have learned from reading other longtime Ruger collectors is that ""never say never"" when it comes to Ruger serial numbers or when determining if a particular model is cataloged in a year or not. The Company isn't as interested in the numerical certainty or clarity as many collectors would like it it to be.

    To answer your question to the best of my resource material RENE I have a copy of the latest Reference of Ruger Firearms, Volume Two, Double Action Revolvers, Centerfire Pistols and Longuns, 1961 to Present, page 9.

    ""The SDA-85H. R.C.M.P. contract known s/n range 160-94833 to 161-00030. 150 made (an overrun of 15 were sold to U.S. distributors.""


    I would like to add another to my collection especially if its a close match to mine. If you decide to sell, email me at genelinks@hotmail.com or send me a PM.
    Best, Gene
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    16 Nov 2017 04:47 PM
    Thanks, Gene.

    I have been doing some internet searching and, with with the help of fellow owners and now with the inclusion of your gun, I believe I can now identify all 15 of the overrun revolvers.

    A September, 1984 memo from GULF STATES Distributors of Montgomery Alabama, lists the following 10 revolvers available for sale (at $190 each!). I have listed these in numerical sequence:

    160-98363
    160-98826
    161-00029
    161-00031
    161-00032
    161-00033
    161-00034
    161-00035
    161-00330
    161-97988

    In addition, I have been able to identify the following off the internet, often with the help of current owners:

    160-94833 As of 2017, in Northern California
    160-94838 As of 2017, in Ohio - this gun went to Canada and later returned to the US
    161-00030 As of 2010, in Vermont
    161-18440 As of 2017, in Illinois
    162-19054 As of 2017, in Canada


    Apparently, two of the stainless (GF-85H) have been identified:

    157-21052 Before 1994, Yazoo City, Mississippi
    157-21051 As of 2012, in Vermont


    Most of the above information is taken from internet posts and personal messages. The guns identified in 2017 are current as of now, but the earlier guns may have changed hands since the original postings. I own the one in Canada, it must of sat in a safe for over thirty years as it presents as new and unfired.

    Hope this is of interest,


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    16 Nov 2017 10:56 PM
    The above post has been updated to reflect further information received today and correct a typo on the stainless (GF, not GR).

    Peter
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    17 Nov 2017 12:04 AM
    Peter
    Thank you for the incredible post and information.
    Do you have a copy of the ""September 1984 memo from GULF STATES Distributors of Montgomery Alabama""?

    Gene
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    17 Nov 2017 04:20 PM
    Peter This is a post by a long time RCA/ROCS member (FT44) who shared these additional two numbers and a short narrative with group on a post we have been running on the RCMP that I purchased beginning when the revolver went up for sale.

    ""I bought two consecutive serial numbered SDA-85H in October 1998 from a dealer in Nashville, TN. He had purchased 5 of them for resale. I sold the two I bought to a friend some years ago and he recently sold them to another friend of mine. Still NIB. Attaching a copy of the invoice. Different numbers than the list above.""
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    SDA-85H R. C. M. P. Overrun serial numbers 001.jpg
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    22 Nov 2017 09:46 PM
    Just to consolidate everything in one post, I have compiled below a summation of information on the Ruger Police Service Six FIVE inch barrel variant (SDA-85H-CM) made for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Note that this summation based on internet postings and in most cases not verified from original sources.

    It is believed that in 1984 a special order of 135 blued five inch Police Service Six revolvers were made up as test samples for the RCMP, who were considering replacing their aging 5"" Smith Model 10s (in the end, the RCMP decided to convert to automatics in the mid ‘nineties). In addition, there are said to have been five stainless Police Service Six 5” produced; although thought to have been sent to the RCMP, no one is quite sure.

    It is believed that Ruger actually assembled a total of 150 revolvers, and some 15 blued guns were made up in an over-run to the RCMP contract. From various internet posts made over the years it has been established that ten of those over-run guns were shipped to GULF STATES Distributors of Montgomery Alabama, likely about August or September of 1984. Another 5 were sold to LAW ENFORCEMENT EQUIP CORP in Nashville, at about the same time.

    Spending time on the internet, and with the help of fellow Ruger owners, it is now possible to identify the 15 over-run revolvers. In addition, there are another two revolvers identified that were shipped to Canada.

    A September, 1984 memo from GULF STATES Distributors of Montgomery Alabama, lists the following 10 revolvers available for sale (at $190 each!). I have listed these in numerical sequence:

    160-98363
    160-98826
    161-00029
    161-00031 000031-00035 a consecutive series owned by one individual,
    161-00032 believed in Connecticut in 2010
    161-00033 “ “
    161-00034 “ “
    161-00035 “ “
    161-00330
    161-97988


    In addition, one contributor identified two revolvers sold to LAW ENFORCEMENT EQUIP CORP (LEEC) of Nashville in 1984. LEEC is believed to have bought five from Ruger, so I suspect the others were sold through them as well:

    160-94833 As of 2017, in Northern California
    160-98538 As of 2017, in Las Vegas (LEEC)
    160-98539 As of 2017, in Las Vegas (LEEC)
    161-00030 As of 2010, in Vermont
    161-18440 As of 2017, in Illinois


    Two additional blue SDA-85H have been identified with a direct Canadian connection. One has been imported back into the USA (and has importation marks). The other remains in Canada. This makes me wonder if the over-run exceeded 15 guns with some going to Canada as, from what I hear, the RCMP tended to melt down their surplus:

    160-94838 As of 2017, in Ohio - this gun went to Canada and later returned the US
    162-19054 As of 2017, in Canada


    Apparently, two of the stainless (GF-35H) have been identified:

    157-21052 Before 1994, Yazoo City, Mississippi
    157-21051 As of 2012, in Vermont


    As I stated, much of the above information is taken from older Internet posts and often lacks verification (for those supplying the more recent posts confirming serials, thank you for your help). Cross-matching the posts and serials was a bit of a challenge; there could be errors and, if so, let me know.

    I own #162-19054 in Canada; it presents as new and unfired, so it must have sat in someone’s safe for over thirty years.


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    15 Feb 2018 01:54 AM
    My RCMP # 161-18440
    With some props given to me by some friends. The Blade is a Canadian Grohman given to me by ""Watertender"" along with the State Trooper head gear and the RCMP 5"" shoulder holster. The Ruger tie clasp and cuff links came from ""Flatop44"". The Gulf-Sports memo copy was compliments of ""T.A. Workman"".

    Best regards, Gene
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